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印媒:印度人爱国吗

Are Indians patriotic?

印度人爱国吗?

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Samar Rehman Patel, lived in India

There are plenty of good answers here. Patriotism is defined as love and vigorous support for one's country and ideals. 

I think most Indians confuse patriotism with Nationalism, which is an extreme form of patriotism which is coupled with feelings of self aggrandisement and feeling of superiority over other countries. 

A patriot looks at say, something wrong with the system or culture, and says, " Fine it's bad, we'll work towards making it better, and I still love my country. Looking at bad stuff hasn't deterred me of my devotion. "

这里有很多好的答案。爱国主义的定义是对国家和理想的热爱和有力支持。

我认为大多数印度人把爱国主义和民族主义混淆了,民族主义是一种极端形式的爱国主义,伴随着自我膨胀感和对其他国家的优越感。

一个爱国者看到制度或文化出了问题,会说:“好吧,这样不行,我们会努力让它变得更好,但我仍然深爱我的国家。这些不好的事不能阻止我的忠诚。”

A nationalist looks at the same thing and goes, "This is NOT bad. This is how it always was, and there probably is a scientific reason for why it's this way. Why don't you look at X Y Z country, their's is much WORSE that ours. I love my country. And everything unquestioningly. We can improve but I am not gonna admit that there is something wrong. EVER. We are the best. We were always the best. We will always be the best.  "

So while the difference is subtle when looking at it from being happy about the good things in the country, the difference becomes stark when you look at it from reaction and degrees of denial from the darker side of things. 

Most Indians, I am afraid, confuse Nationalism for Patriotism. 

Be a patriot. Don't be an idiot.

一个民族主义者看到同样的事情,会说:“这没什么问题。从来都是这样的,也许有科学的原因可以解释。你为什么不看看xyz国家,他们比我们差多了。我爱我的国家。一切都毫无疑问地。我们可以改进,但我不会承认自身有什么问题。永远。我们是最棒的。我们一直是最好的。我们将永远是最好的。”

因此,当你从对这个国家的美好一面感到高兴的角度来看待它时,这种差别是很微妙的,但当你从阴暗面的反应和否认程度来看待时,这种差别就会变得很明显。

恐怕大多数印度人把民族主义和爱国主义混淆了。

我们要做爱国者。别犯傻了。

 

Aaqib Raza Khan, Learning, Unlearning, Moving on.

Patriotism is a very subjective feeling. It depends on how you'd like to define it. Do you enroll in the army to show to your patriotism or do you fulfill all your duties as a citizen to express your love for your nation? Both of them are patriotic acts - but in varying magnitude. 

I don't agree that patriotism can be described on the basis of religious, cultural or social beliefs. Patriotism is not a tag anyone hangs from their necks. You may not find a person patriotic in your daily life, but he or she may actually be doing a lot more than what meets the eye.

For example, patriotism is 'popularly' referred while cheering for your national sports team, celebrating national days. But that doesn't mean those not observing these days are not patriotic. We are all tax-paying, law-observing citizens of this nation. 

爱国主义是一种非常主观的感情。这取决于你如何定义它。你参军是为了爱国精神,还是履行你作为公民的所有职责?这两种行为都是爱国行为,但程度不同。

我不认同用宗教、文化或优德88手机中文版客服信仰来描述爱国主义。爱国主义不是任何人挂在脖子上的标签。你可能在日常生活中找不到爱国的人,但他或她所做的可能比你看到的要多得多。

例如,在为你的国家运动队加油、庆祝国庆时,大家都会提到爱国主义。但这并不意味着其余时间我们就不爱国了。我们都是纳税、守法的公民。

 译文来源:三泰虎 https://www.santaihu.com/48585.html 译者:Joyceliu

I would also like to point that India is a broad, expansive collection of different languages, cultures and beliefs. It is one of the most complex nations in existence with the textured population so diverse throughout. If it has stuck together all this while, there's just one reason - Love for this nation. 

我还想指出,印度是各种语言、文化和信仰的大熔炉。它是现存最复杂的国家之一,人口结构非常多样化。如果它一直团结在一起,那么原因只有一个——对这个国家的爱。

 

Prateek Kumar, works at ITC Infotech (2018-present)

Before answering this question, I would like to talk about a country called Germany.

The people of Germany devised and voted in favor of a law that would increase taxes on them and the extra money generated would be used for the healthcare and education of the not so privileged population of Germany who could not afford heavy medical fee or higher education.

Now my question is, will Indians vote for such a law??

Patriotism does not mean waving flags on national holidays and standing everytime when national anthem is played in a movie theatre. It means how much you are willing to contribute in the prosperity of your country even if you have to sacrifice some of your comforts.

People in India still vote on the basis of caste and religion, do not pay taxes honestly and do not respect government property ( the recent annihilation of Tejas express on it's maiden journey do not project us as patriots). We need to understand that a nation can not develop until it's citizens are willing to work for it unconditionally and that would be true patriotism.

在回答这个问题之前,我想先谈谈一个叫德国的国家。

德国人民设计并投票通过了一项法案,该法案将增加他们的税收,由此募集的额外收入将用于无法负担高额医疗费用或高等教育支出的弱势群体的医疗和教育。

我的问题是,印度人会投票支持这样的法律吗?

爱国主义不是在国定假日里挥舞国旗,不是在电影院奏国歌时自觉起立。它意味着你愿意为国家的繁荣贡献多少,即使你不得不作出一些牺牲。

印度人至今仍以种姓和宗教为基础投票,不诚实纳税,不尊重政府财产(最近Tejas express在其处女航中遭到毁灭)。我们必须明白,一个国家的发展离不开它的公民愿意无条件地为之付出,这才是真正的爱国主义。

 

Raghuraj Hegde, The introspective Indian

I first have to admit that I was for sometime in my childhood, the stereotypical flag waving, unrelenting Indian Patriot. Since then Life happened and while I still consider myself a patriot, I'm not the one that people really think of when they think of a patriot.

I agree with Bala Senthil Kumar that Patriotism is like Religion that was created as a social necessity and not truly as representive of something that exists without humanity. Despite this I do not consider patriotism "unnecessary" as he puts it. Here's why:

我首先得承认,在我童年时,我是典型的挥舞着旗帜、不屈不挠的印度爱国者。从那以后,生活发生了变化,虽然我仍然认为自己是一个爱国者,但我并不是人们在想到爱国者时真正想到的那种人。

我同意Bala Senthil Kumar的观点,即爱国主义就像宗教一样,是作为一种优德88手机中文版客服需要而创造出来的精神,而不是作为一种游离于人性之外的东西。尽管如此,正如他所说,我并不认为爱国主义是“多余的”东西。原因如下:

Why India needs Patriotism

  1. The concept of a nation and patriotism towards it gives people a reason to think something beyond themselves and do something towards a collective that we are. We cannot create leaders without them feeling that they represent something. Every higher endeavor seeks acceptance from his origins. Many may deny it but it is there. If some Indians did not believe in the Indian consciousness we wouldn't have had our independence movement.
  2. The world is large (despite the "small world" theory) and India itself is large so if we stop having these nations/states/districts/cities local governance suffers because there is no accountability and there is no law of the land. We need nation states and patriotic citizens to provide the country with a contentious voice. It is all nice to say that good people don't need laws and laws are for bad ones. Just laws have no value unless implemented and accounted for by the good citizens. This is why crime rates in states like UP, Bihar, Haryana are so high and places like Kerala have low rates. Kerala wins because good patriotic citizens make sure the bad ones get punished.

为什么印度需要爱国主义

  1. 一个国家和爱国主义的定义给了人们超越自我进行思考的一个理由,为我们这样的集体做些事情。我们不能培养不清楚自己代表着谁的领导者。每一次更多的努力都是为了他的出身能被接受。许多人可能会否认这一点,但事实就是如此。如果一些印度人不相信印度人的觉悟,就不会有独立运动。
  2. 世界很大(尽管有“小世界”理论),印度本身也很大,所以如果我们不再有国家/邦/地区/城市的概念,地方治理就会受到影响,因为没有问责制,没有土地法律。我们需要民族国家和爱国公民为这个国家提供一个有争议的声音。好人不需要法律,法律是用来对付坏人的。若只有法律存在并没有价值,除非得到好公民的执行和解释。这就是为什么北方邦、比哈尔邦、哈里亚纳邦的犯罪率如此之高,而喀拉拉邦的犯罪率却很低。喀拉拉邦赢了,因为爱国的好公民确保坏人受到惩罚。
  3. I represented my school and college in several team sports. If I did not bother about the team I played my performance would be sub-par as an athlete. This is the same sentiment that goes with our defense forces. If we did not think we represent something- an ideal, a country, a philosophy- we cannot adequately perform for them. We need people to defend our country and patriotism serves a brilliant function in this. This if of course not to belittle the sacrifices of our armed forces since independence but if not for patriotism there wouldn't be anything of India left. We would have been invaded by everyone around us.
  4. If we didn't have this belief in Indianness, why else would we search for other Indians in every country when we go abroad. We need that familiarity to be comfortable.

3.我代表学校和大学参加过几项团体运动。如果我不为我所在的球队操心,我的表现就会低于运动员的水平。我们的国防部队也有同样的感受。如果我们没有意识到自己代表了某种东西——一种理想、一个国家、一种哲学——我们就无法为他们充分努力。我们需要人民来保卫我们的国家,爱国主义在这方面发挥了巨大的作用。这不是为了贬低独立以来我们军队的牺牲,如果不是为了爱国主义,印度就什么都不剩了。我们会被周围的敌人入侵。

  1. 如果我们不相信印度人,那我们出国时为什么还要在每个国家寻找其他印度人呢?我们需要那种熟悉感来让我们感到舒服。

What patriotism does not represent (at least to me)

  1. Remembering and reiterating our country's pride only during cricket matches and forgetting about the country when they litter the road. Criticizing everyone else while pissing on the wall of a government office.
  2. False sense of pride in the culture of our country while we treat our women and children in disdain (rapes,child labour, poor schools),  moral police everything, ban stuff (meat, porn, movies, books)- all in the name of our culture and our country. 
  3. Believing that Indians and India can do no wrong. I find this very disturbing and I found it on Quora too. I had written an answer in praise of Lee Kwan Yew of Singapore while lamenting the socialist policies of the Congress which is preventing our progress to this day. Suddenly you have these pseudo-patriots take up cudgels for India branding me a 'star-gazing traitor' for criticizing Indian politicians while admiring a foreign counterpart. Yes that was the word used. This same thing was in full display in the Devyani Khobragade episode in US. The govt wrongly stood behind the diplomat due to public outrage back home. We can be right and wrong as anybody can in any country. Patriotism cannot be used as a shield for the wrongs done Patriotism also does not mean we do not question our leaders and make them accountable.
  4. Believing that every Indian achieving some great thing abroad is a shining feature on our own cap.. 

I know this is not what one would expect from a patriot but I believe I'm more of a patriot than the blind flag waving type!

爱国主义不能代表什么(至少对我来说)

  1. 只有在板球比赛时才会想起并重申我们国家的骄傲,而当他们在路上乱扔垃圾时就忘记了我们的国家。一边在政府办公室的墙上小便一边指责别人。
  2. 当我们以我们的文化和国家的名义鄙视我们的妇女和儿童(强奸、童工、贫穷的学校),对一切进行道德批判,禁止东西(肉、色情、电影、书籍)时,都是对我们国家文化的虚假自豪感。

3.相信印度人和印度人不会犯错。我发现这非常令人不安,我也在Quora上发现了这一点。我写了一份赞扬新加坡的李光耀的回答,同时对国大党的优德88手机中文版客服主义政策表示惋惜,这些政策阻碍了我们的进步。突然之间,这些伪爱国人士开始为印度摇旗叫好,称我是“卖国贼”,因为我一方面批评印度政客,另一方面又崇拜外国政客。是的,就是这个词。同样的事情在德芙雅尼·霍布拉加德在美国的事件中得到了充分展示。由于国内公众的愤怒,政府错误地支持这名外交官。我们可以是对的,也可以是错的,就像任何国家的任何人一样。爱国主义不能用来掩盖过去犯下的错误。爱国主义也不意味着我们不能质疑我们的领导人,不让他们承担责任。

  1. 相信每个印度人在国外都取得了一些伟大的成就,让我们与有荣焉。

我知道这不是人们希望看到的爱国者的模样,但我相信比起盲目挥舞国旗,我是一个更爱国的人!

 

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